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Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby Klors on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:08 pm

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So with my Windows 7 not arriving till the end of October, what's going to the shizzle at that point in terms of CPU/RAM/Gfx? Not top of the range, but that good price/performance point?
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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:29 pm

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Depends on your budget, but very likely it's gonna be something like an i5 750 and Radeon HD5850

Possibly you'll be able to pick up last-gen cheaper, grab a Q9400 or similar along with an HD4890. The Phenom II X4 940 is also really great value... basically it's a cheaper Q9400.

Best waiting for 5-6 weeks to see how the price&performance pans out with the new parts though.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:15 am

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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby TK421 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:44 am

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Whats a crossfire, and are they worth it?

I dunno if you remember the spec you er, specced for me larchy, but is there anything I can do to speed it up?

No reason to really, it's superfast and havent seen any slow down whatsoever... but you know .. I might as well.

Or something.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:33 am

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Don't bother with Crossfire/SLI. Will be obsolete in a year anyway due to Hydra.

Can't remember what you have... Core 2 Duo or something? You'd prolly have to wait for the new i5s and spend ££££ to make it 2% faster

Was the gfx a 4890? If so, nothing else worth getting.... some new ones in October... the HD5xx0 series, but until then theres nowt.


Could get an SSD! See the last page of the component reference thread.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

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Is windows 7 something worth waiting for?

I need to a new laptop in the next few months so was thinking of getting one on Nov 1st with w7 installed already.

Gonna spend about £1,000 on this one i think (plus w7)

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167455

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:48 pm

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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby feign on Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:54 am

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ok, more questions on behalf of a friend regarding a gaming pc with windoze 7:

1. If money was no object is it worth going for a i7 920 chip with 2 top end graphic cards (nvidia295's) or a i7 975 extreme chip with a single 295 graphics card?
even after reading 101 guides im not sure on the newer i7 975 chips, seem massivly expensive (which aint a problem of course) but if there just a 4% speed increase it seems daft

2. What bits on this would y'all chose differently? - to run dual monitor, 24" WS main game, 20" for non-game stuff

Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 Case
Coolermaster Real Power M1000 PSU
Core i7 920 8MB Cache Socket 1366 Processor (Considering the value of upgrading to a 975 extreme but jesus wept at the price)
Thermalright Ultra 120 CPU Cooler
BFG GeForce GTX 295 1792MB PCI Express 2.0 (possibly 2 in SLI) - I read what you said about SLI being redundant and will pass that on, just c&p'ing his skype'd questions atm
6GB Corsair DDR3 1600MHz C9 Triple Channel
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366
300GB VelociRaptor SATA II 16MB Cache (Looking into the SSD malarky)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 32MB Cache SATA 300
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (dont get me started on onboard sound !!)
Windows7 !

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby DrKazza on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:37 am

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from what i've read... the velociraptors can be pretty noisy.

In performance terms they're not that far behind SSDs, certainly not when you look at real life applications rather than just looking at benchmarks.

from what I've experienced... a 128Gb SSD is FUCKING AMAZING.

frankly if you've got the budget to choose either and you're already getting a 1 TB storage drive, do you care if your OS drive has 128gb or 300?... not really tbh.
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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

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2 charts to look at...

1) cooler performance
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu-coole ... 078-9.html
2) cooler noise
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu-coole ... 78-10.html

the Zalman CNPS9700 is the one to beat that does well on both stats... no idea what the 9900 does different. Both available from OcUK
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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:50 am

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I'd say buying an i7 today would be most unwise.

The new generation i7s and i5s are already being sold in Taiwan, and will be available here within a matter of weeks.

They are considerably cheaper and/or faster than current i7 offerings. Not only are the CPUs themselves cheaper, the boards and memory configurations will be cheaper too. Their inbuilt 'turbo mode' overclocking is also much faster than on current i7s.

To answer your question about going for the top end CPU SKUs - well, you've answered it yourself. You get into the territory of diminishing returns, where you can quite easily double the price of a £200 CPU for a few extra % in performance (all of which can easily be exceeded with very modest overclocking anyway).

If you want to burn money on them, fine. But don't be under any illusion you're getting much for your money, or that these top-end SKUs are anything other than high margin revenue generators for Intel because they know a lot of people have more money than sense.

The CPU isn't really much of a factor in modern gaming anyway. Unless you have some other specific CPU-intensive app that you know i7 is faster for, don't beat yourself up over the CPU. An E8400 with a little overclocking would be far cheaper and quite a bit faster than a stock i7 rig.


Graphics... I mean... yeah, again doesn't really make sense. The GTX295 looks like a single physical card, but it's two separate cards sellotaped together. It is SLI-on-a-stick. Whereas Ati integrate two GPUs on the same PCB for their multi-GPU single-slot solutions, nVidia just bolt two cards together... in this case a pair of 285s. They have to make some compromises to keep the heat down because of this brute force tactic, so the 295 is a little slower than two proper SLI 285s would be. Also realise that despite the 1792MB RAM on the card, it is split between each GPU so each has 896MB. That means the card's max framebuffer is 896MB... a lowly 1GB 4850 would have more memory available to it so far as a game is concerned. Just thought I'd toss that in as looking at what you've posted it seems like a typical "choose the biggest numbers" spec and you have to be careful of the marketing.

You could put two 295s together in SLI, but that would be Quad SLI. Given that even dual card scaling is, at best, still hit-and miss it's a bit pointless. There is really 0 scaling for 3 or 4 cards with SLI... Hydra would be different, but SLI and crossfire stop providing gains with more than two GPUs... sometimes it's slower because of the extra overhead. The width of each PEG slot may also become and issue with that configuration anyway.

I'd be very surprised if a 285 can't handle anything they're likely to throw at it anyway. I'd recommend a 4890 or 4890 X2 (are they out yet?), or even wait until October for the next-gen Radeon 5x00 series which will spank anything currently available anyway by a huge margin (~double 4890 performance). nVidia's next-gen is badly delayed and probably won't be seen until next year. Even then it may not perform, given nVidia generally being in the shit right now

Velociraptor... again unwise I'd say, unless you really need the 300GB for your OS drive for some strange reason.

Intel 160GB G2 is what they want (skip the first gen now G2 is out), or if they want something virtually as quick but half the price one of the Indilinx Barefoot drives will do the job... the Crucial M128 I just bought, the Corsair Extreme, the OCZ vertex 2, Patriot Torx.... all the same drive underneath and all will be at least double the speed of the raptor... orders of magnitude faster in some circumstances. The Samsung controllers aren't bad either... thats the Corsair P series units, amongst others.

Those Samsung F1s are good drives, but given the huge budget seems silly to be skimping on the I/O system. Why not get one of the WD Caviar Green 1.5TB/2TB units for a music/video/pic storage dump. That plus the SSD should give them great heat/power/noise characteristics.

PSU is massively overspecced, but I'm tired of talking about that... so.. whatever. Corsair HX520 or HX650 would be my choice, or for pure PSU porn the Enermax Revolution 85+ which has a fantastic revolutionary circuit design, although it's also 200 quid and far beyond anyone's needs today.

The Thermolab Baram is a cleverly engineered, marginally more efficient and much cheaper alternative to the Ultra120eX if you can find a stockist.

The Auzentech XiFi prelude is a far better XiFi implementation than Anything Creative has ever produced with it's own chip, so grab one of them if you're intent on a XiFi. Else one of the OxygenHD solutions are probably a better bet now, unless you enjoy fking around with alchemy. Prelude and Xonar D2X review.

The OxygenHD is so good it has a lot of derivatives now, and the ASUS implementations are the best. The Essence is the latest bling bling one, but any are great cards.

Even if prefer a Creative badged XiFi, the Music was the best consumer model, not the stupid lolt4l1ty rubbish.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:52 am

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DrKazza wrote:from what i've read... the velociraptors can be pretty noisy.


The 32/74GB models were, less so the revised 74GB but it was still clicky. The 150 Xs weren't bad but you can definitely hear them. The 300's are on a par with the noisier of the modern 7200rpm units, ie not bad at all.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby Pers on Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:28 am

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I'm looking to upgrade to W7 and the guts of my pc. The old man needs an upgrade so he can have my cpu, mobo and memory and I'll upgrade to either i5 or i7, I can't decided :( I wanna see some solid overclocks on i5 before deciding or get a D0 stepping 920.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby Tonster on Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:59 am

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larchy wrote:wait until October for the next-gen Radeon 5x00 series which will spank anything currently available anyway by a huge margin (~double 4890 performance)

I was thinking of upgrading my BFG 8800GTS 512MB OC'd card as I just installed GTA IV and my PC is getting butt raped (even with shadows off, most effects low, draw distances nearly at minimum :( ). Worth waiting then I take it, but are these supah-dupah new cards going to cost an arm and a leg dyathink??

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby TK421 on Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:12 am

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I might be selling my 4890 when one of those new cards comes out. It's only about 3 months old and it's barely been used

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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:07 pm

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We never really know exactly how the new gen will pan out until there's solid benchies... but it looks like they'll have a part in the £220-250 range that is 60-100% faster than the 4890s, plus a cheaper option. DX11 too of course.

Still, a current 4890 or 275 or something is hardly a bad choice.

GTAIV doesn't really need much GPU power.... it's one of the few games where the CPU actually counts. Quads are considerably faster, and duallies struggle (a 3GHz C2Q is considerably faster than a 4GHz C2D)... so that may be your problem Tonster. Or you could buy a new nVidia card and find out it's the same as your old one with a new sticker.... how awesome would that be! Go GT250 powah! 9800GTX powah! GT312 powah!

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby Klors on Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:44 pm

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Thanks for the advice... so something along the lines of -

another Intel chip (prolly i5 or a Qxxxx of some sort) my last CPU was my first Intel and I've enjoyed the experience for some weird reason...
a Crucial SSD
another Radeon (4890 or 5xxx)
another Corsair PSU

Who are the better mobo manufacturers now after all that shuffling that went on with Abit and Asus, and rumours about MSI or Gigashite boards improving in quality or something?
What about the whole DDR 2 or 3 thing, still much of a muchness? A lot of the mobo's I looked at not long ago were still DDR2...
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Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

Postby larchy on Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:54 pm

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Well it usually depends on the CPU not the board, since the MCHs are ondie now on everything but the C2D/C2Qs.

AMD AM3 takes DDR3, AM2+ is DDR2, C2D/C2Q are DDR2, i7&i5 are DDR3

Just get whichever the CPU needs.

ASUS are always going to be the benchmark and their new P55 boards look spinkee (that's the new i5 boards). Noone has anywhere near their resources except Foxconn, and they don't really sell to end consumers barring one or two half-assed efforts. Certainly you aren't gonna go wrong with anything in the ASUS lineup, and AsRock are a decent cheaper option with some very decent products (they're mysteriously related to ASUS by some complex voodoo - don't ask!).

Abit are bankrupt and liquidated.

Gigabyte are actually genuinely a viable option now, although personally I'm still wary of them. HardOCP stopped reviewing them a few years back they were so crap... couldn't even get them through benchmarks half the time at stock speeds. Remember Kyle posting a while back "they're actually not so shit now so we'll start looking at them again" :laugh: MSI are prettymuch the same.

I *really* like the EVGA boards, but they are rather niche expensive products.


Tbh do take a look at the PhenomIIs as well. The 940 is basically as fast as a Q9450 but a bit cheaper, plus the boards are cheaper too for comparable features. They aren't performance leading, but really the CPU isn't a big deal these days so long as it's vaguely decentish. Really, even the first gen C2Ds... the E6600 and the like are getting on, but are hardly what I'd call 'slow'.


Edit:

This looks fairly awesome!

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Also, some early i5 benchies from a while back.

Re: Windows 7 New Machine Parts Superthread!

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Have you spent any time with the Corsair H50 cpu cooler Larchy? I'm thinking of going down that road for cooling and it's got some pretty good reviews. I think it will fit in my case, a Coolermaster atcs 840.

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