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Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Pornstar on Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:13 am

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Lo all,

I'm looking at trying out downloading from Usenet as opposed to the normal torrent route (utorrent/vuze etc). I didn't realise that its more anonymous (SSL etc).
Can any of you recommend their favourite program to surf/download from Usenet? I am guessing its a similar procedure to downloading torrents from Mininova, TPB etc.

Best usenet news server to signup to atm and how much? I have found Astraweb news server for $11 p.m. with no speed or download limits.
Best software to use? Newsbin Pro according to many forum posts. $35 lifetime membership.

Anyone use Grabit or Ultraleecher?

Any tips/alts will be appreciated!

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Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Cacker on Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:31 pm

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I never downloaded from usenet, I always noticed they had binaries for download in certain newsgroups, but i think it's still rather archaic as a method of downloads, lending itself to those who like to stay there and be 'old skool'. I'm not sure it offers anything less or more than torrents do, in terms of 'offerings'. It's just a direct download afaik, so you are at the mercy of their bandwidth. It's almost as bad as using an ftp mailer, back in early 90s', getting a call from the it admin cos you'd received liek 50 1mb emails :P

you are unforunately limited in torrents to the number of people seeding and hence the most popular stuff is easy to find and download whereas older, perhaps more off the beaten track stuff is hard to find or has few seeders.

anonymity is a bit of a misnomer to be honest, in any method of download. If the powers that be acquired access to server logs you can be pinpointed and ISPs have you activity so, you can be stuffed either way, SSL or not.

and as for actually paying for access, well, i personally take muchos umbragos at that.

Is there a reason why you want to try out usenet ? torrents are not all belong to you ?
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Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Tonster on Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:05 pm

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On a related note I was talking to an expert about a company that offer tracking via triangulation. By measuring the response times between you, your ISP and whatever you're viewing they can pinpoint your location to within 20 feet :eek:

Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Pornstar on Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:08 pm

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Trying out Usenet mainly for high speeds. I've read that it is much faster than the overloaded p2p software like utorrent etc. But then again I am no expert until I can compare.

Yr right about SSL. Its more a marketing gimmick for Usenet users anyhow.

Pleasant Side-Effect Of SSL

While in many cases SSL doesn?t really improve your privacy that much, there is an interesting side-effect when using SSL:It can circumvent your providers traffic shaping! Traffic shaping (limiting your bandwidth depending on theusedservice) was traditionally done based on the port you connect to. Port 119isthe standard for usenet-access, if a provider wants to limit your bandwidthforusenet but still let you browse the web at full speed, they can simply throttle all connections to that port. For some time most providers started to offer access on alternative ports - Even ports which are the standard for other services your provider certainly doesn?t want to limit - Such as port 80(Web /HTTP).

Some providers now use new technology that determines the used service based the contents of the packets. Even if you send your packages through the port normally used for web browsing, the commands inside this package are clearly used for NNTP. When you are using SSL, all this information gets encrypted and there is no way for your provider to know what these packages are for, and a lot of users have already reported increased speeds! But be aware that you still have to worry about port based traffic shaping if you are using port563 (the standard for NNTPS, encrypted usenet). Giganews has therefore recently added support on port 443, the standard for HTTPs - A protocol no provider wants to limit.

This effectively defeats all known traffic shaping systems - But be aware that the more users do this, the more this will once again become a concern to those providers, and they still have some weapons left - Like limiting all traffic originating from the NSPs networks.

Conclusion
If you are a victim of such traffic shaping or have reason to ensure your privacy, you should definitively get the SSL service! If you are not, and you are in full control over your own network and you know your provider is not allowed to inspect your packets anyway, you should probably save the money and spare the additional CPU load for your NSP.
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Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Flomotion on Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:49 am

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Astraweb and nzbmatrix.com here, using grabit to download. nzbxxx.com has megatons of pr0n too...

Cacker, it's just as easy to use nowadays as a torrent. You use an indexing site like nzbmatrix, download the nzb file which opens in grabit. It then goes off and downloads all the seperate files itself. It even unrars them and deletes the individual files automatically.

sooo much less messing around than with torrents and it always maxes out my 5mbit line. No waiting for that last 0.2% or having to wait 24 hours for the latest TV shows to have a decent download speed. No passworded rar files, mislabled mp3s or hard subtitled films.

£6 a month, for pretty much instant access to a huge library of media is fine for me, but I'm not someone who will spend hours and hours trying to get something for free if I can pay a few quid and get it there and then. Life's too short...

Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Mongrel on Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:38 pm

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As Flo said, http://www.shemes.com for Grabit which is a superb downloader. Usenet has been the place to be for years now. All the benefits of torrents (like, erm vast quantities of free stuff) with only one draw back (it works better if you pay) and none of the negatives (bandwidth, seeding, uploads interfering with downloads, PC having to be on all the time). Groups like b0neless you can't even index any more because they're just too vast...but you can use Grabit to search for stuff like that too.

Honestly, I had a play around with torrents, then found Usenet and it's never even occured to me to go back!
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Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Pornstar on Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:07 am

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Decided to go with Grabit (free and most popular atm) and NZBmatrix (£7 VIP lifetime membership). Then signed up to Astraweb for the usenet server connection (new offer of $96 per year (£5 per month) for unlimited everything).

Testing out a 4GB download atm which i got an average of about 10-20 kb/s on utorrent if i was lucky. Grabits getting it at 550-600 kb/s :yikes2:

I think i've found my new leeching tools. Ta for the input everyone!
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Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Flomotion on Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:56 pm

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You'll be impressed at how fast files become available too. Episodes of 24 were up within an hour of it being screened in the US.

Re: Usenet: Recommended reader/downloader?

Postby Quinnbeast on Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:29 pm

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I used Grabit to begin with, but for no particular reason, I ended up settling on Altbinz. It works seamlessly with the .nzb search sites, and I'd suggest Newzbin is probably worth a look as an alternative to nzbmatrix.... although it may require an invitation now.

For anyone that doesn't want a monthly fee (i.e. for occasional use), then Usenet-News is a decent news server that lets you buy bandwidth blocks which won't expire.

Granted, Usenet can at first feel a bit mystical next to some of the torrent progs, but I haven't touched a torrent file since. As has been said: no need to piss about with uploads, no crappy transfer rates (easily maxes out a 24mb line - I've seen 1500kbps here), and I generally see *a bit* less trojan-filled crap, although it's obviously still an issue if you've not sensible about it.

It’s ultimately about convenience: if I want to grab something, I'd rather pay a small amount to get it on the fly from a dedicated server, rather than hope there are enough people seeding.


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